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MATISSE

Society of Cutaneous Oncology

2025-11-24

SoCO Journal Club · November 24, 2025

MATISSE: when response begins to challenge surgery

A Journal Club on ultra-short neoadjuvant nivolumab with or without low-dose ipilimumab in resectable cutaneous squamous cell carcinoma — and on the harder question of what evidence should be enough to adapt, reduce, or potentially omit definitive local therapy.

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Meeting pulse

A sustained multidisciplinary conversation

People represented 29 Unique people after reconnect reconciliation
Median time together 76 min Half the room stayed at least this long
Stayed ≥ 60 minutes 69% Sustained engagement across the session
Academic–industry partnership
A joint conversation with Bristol Myers Squibb

This Journal Club was part of SoCO’s academic–society–industry partnership series. We were pleased to welcome colleagues from Bristol Myers Squibb into the room for the MATISSE discussion. Their participation added an important industry perspective while preserving the meeting’s independent, evidence-focused format.

The paper

Ultra-short neoadjuvant immunotherapy before planned surgery

Primary article · Nature Medicine

Neoadjuvant ipilimumab and nivolumab in resectable cutaneous squamous cell carcinoma: a randomized phase 2 trial

Breukers SE, Traets JJH, van Dijk SW, et al. Nature Medicine. 2025;31(12):4055–4064.
doi: 10.1038/s41591-025-03943-w

The paper’s most provocative question was not simply whether neoadjuvant immunotherapy works. It was: when a patient responds deeply and quickly, how much surgery and radiation do they still need?

Study architecture

Two doses, surgery at week 4, and an unexpected natural experiment

MATISSE enrolled 50 patients with resectable stage I–IVa CSCC requiring extensive or potentially disfiguring surgery. Patients were assigned to two doses of nivolumab or two doses of nivolumab plus one low-dose ipilimumab dose before planned standard-of-care surgery in week 4. The trial was randomized but explicitly noncomparative: it was not designed or powered to establish superiority of one immunotherapy arm over the other.

01 · Pathologic response

55% versus 80% overall pathologic response

Among the 40 patients who proceeded to surgery, MPR or PPR occurred in 55% with nivolumab and 80% with nivolumab plus ipilimumab. The individual components were MPR 45% and 50%, and PPR 10% and 30%, respectively.

02 · Survival among responders

Response carried a strong prognostic signal

Patients achieving MPR or PPR had 100% disease-specific survival at 2 years, irrespective of treatment arm.

03 · Organ preservation

Nine patients remained cancer-free without surgery or RT

Ten patients chose not to undergo planned local therapy. Nine ultimately achieved a clinical complete remission after only the neoadjuvant treatment and remained cancer-free at a median follow-up of 34 months.

04 · Toxicity

No apparent surgical penalty from the short course

Grade 3 immune-related toxicity was 12% with nivolumab and 8% with nivolumab plus ipilimumab; no grade 4–5 irAEs were observed, and surgery was not delayed because of immune toxicity.

Important design point: the 10 patients who did not undergo planned surgery were not randomized to treatment omission. Their decision created a clinically fascinating observational cohort, but it does not establish that surgery can safely be omitted in otherwise similar responders.

The biomarker question

Could we identify the patients in whom de-escalation is safest?

FDG-PET

ΔTLG50% emerged as the most actionable early signal

A decrease in total lesion glycolysis at week 4 identified response with 92% accuracy at the primary tumor and 91% accuracy at the index lymph node. An on-treatment decrease was accompanied by 100% 2-year DSS.

Week-4 biopsy

Pathology added information, but imperfectly

A week-4 biopsy showing ≤50% viable tumor identified response with 92% sensitivity, 64% specificity, and 82% accuracy.

MRI

Anatomic response was less persuasive

The paper reported poor correlation between MR-RECIST response and pathological response, underscoring the challenge of using size-based imaging alone after immunotherapy.

Tumor biology

Interesting signals were not yet individual decision tools

Baseline IFN-γ signature was associated with response, while TMB was not discriminating in the expected direction. The authors concluded that these molecular measures were not sufficiently robust for individual treatment decisions.

Before the meeting

What did the room believe before discussing MATISSE?

The pre-Journal Club survey deliberately asked the group to commit before the paper discussion: prior experience with nivolumab plus ipilimumab, preferred neoadjuvant agent, how many doses they would give, whether surgery should always proceed, what findings might justify omission, and what barriers limit dual-checkpoint use.

Prior experience

Had the room used NIVO + IPI preoperatively?

Yes
14 %
No
57 %
I Am Not A Clinician
10 %
Most respondents had not yet used the combination in the preoperative setting.
Treatment strategy

Should surgery be automatic after neoadjuvant therapy?

Decision Based On Response At Pre-Surgical Evaluation
60 %
Routinely Take To Surgery
10 %
I Am Not A Clinician
10 %
The dominant pre-meeting view favored letting response inform the surgical decision.
De-escalation threshold

What minimum response might justify omitting surgery?

Complete Clinical Response On Physical Examination
25 %
Visible Decrease In Tumor Size On Physical Examination
10 %
Meaningful Symptomatic Improvement Alone
5 %
I Would Not Consider Omitting Surgery Outside A Clinical Trial
5 %
I Am Not A Clinician
10 %
Complete clinical response was the most common threshold among the listed response-based options.
Question 1

Who was in the room?

n = 23
Medical oncology
30 %
Medical dermatology
17 %
Mohs surgery
13 %
Student/Trainee
13 %
Advanced practice provider
9 %
Surgical oncology
9 %
Non-clinician researcher
4 %
Other
4 %
Question 2

How many high-risk CSCC patients did respondents see each month?

n = 21
>20
24 %
6-10
19 %
3-5
14 %
Clinician, does not manage CSCC
14 %
1-2
10 %
11-20
10 %
Not a clinician
10 %
Question 3

Prior nivolumab + ipilimumab use

n = 21
No
57 %
Clinician, does not manage CSCC
19 %
Yes
14 %
Not a clinician
10 %
Question 4

Preferred preoperative systemic therapy

n = 21
Cemiplimab
71 %
Clinician, does not manage CSCC
14 %
Not a clinician
10 %
Pembrolizumab
5 %
Cemiplimab was the dominant pre-meeting choice.
Question 5

How many doses before surgery?

n = 21
2
38 %
3
19 %
Clinician, does not manage CSCC
19 %
4
10 %
Not a clinician
10 %
Other
5 %
Question 6

How many doses are needed for most of the benefit?

n = 21
2
24 %
Clinician, does not manage CSCC
24 %
3
14 %
4
14 %
Not a clinician
10 %
Other
10 %
1
5 %
Question 7

Should surgery be automatic after neoadjuvant therapy?

n = 20
Decision based on response
60 %
Clinician, does not manage CSCC
20 %
Not a clinician
10 %
Routinely proceed to surgery
10 %
Most respondents favored allowing response to influence the surgical decision.
Question 8

What findings might support omission of surgery?

n = 23
Complete clinical response
52 %
Complete response on CT/MRI
52 %
Complete FDG-PET resolution
35 %
Visible tumor decrease
30 %
Meaningful symptomatic improvement
22 %
Partial response on CT/MRI
22 %
Biopsy: 0% viable tumor
22 %
Substantial FDG-PET metabolic response
17 %
Clinician, does not manage CSCC
13 %
Biopsy: 0% viable tumor
9 %
Not a clinician
9 %
Biopsy: 0% viable tumor
4 %
Would not omit outside a trial
4 %
Multiple selections were allowed; percentages therefore do not sum to 100%.
Question 9

Minimum response required to consider surgery omission

n = 20
Complete clinical response
25 %
Complete response on CT/MRI
15 %
Clinician, does not manage CSCC
15 %
Not a clinician
10 %
Partial response on CT/MRI
10 %
Visible tumor decrease
10 %
Complete FDG-PET resolution
5 %
Would not omit outside a trial
5 %
Meaningful symptomatic improvement
5 %
Question 10

Where might nivolumab + ipilimumab fit?

n = 23
Progression after prior anti-PD-1
35 %
Bulky regional nodal CSCC
30 %
Conjunctival SCC requiring exenteration
26 %
Periorbital CSCC requiring exenteration
26 %
Critical site / mutilating surgery
26 %
Clinician, does not manage CSCC
22 %
Hematologic malignancy on treatment
17 %
Indolent hematologic malignancy
13 %
Low-dose immunosuppression for autoimmune disease
13 %
Not a clinician
9 %
None of the above
4 %
Solid-organ transplant recipient
0 %
Multiple selections were allowed; percentages therefore do not sum to 100%.
Question 11

Barriers to preoperative nivolumab + ipilimumab

n = 23
Toxicity / tolerability
48 %
Uncertain benefit–risk
39 %
Cost / insurance coverage
30 %
Not FDA approved
22 %
Not recommended by guidelines
22 %
Clinician, does not manage CSCC
9 %
Not a clinician
9 %
No concerns
0 %
Toxicity/tolerability and uncertainty about benefit–risk were the most common barriers.
What the room was really debating

MATISSE pushed beyond response rate

01 · Combination therapy

Does ipilimumab add enough to matter?

The numerical difference in total pathological response was provocative, but the study was noncomparative and not powered to establish superiority of NIVO + IPI. The discussion therefore had to separate biological plausibility from causal evidence.

02 · Surgery omission

Can a compelling natural experiment become a treatment strategy?

The nine durable clinical complete responses without surgery were difficult to ignore. But patient-selected omission is not the same as prospectively assigned response-adapted de-escalation.

03 · Response definition

What should be sufficient to change local therapy?

Physical examination, CT/MRI, FDG-PET, and on-treatment biopsy each answer different questions. The meeting focused on which combination could be trusted enough to support a major decision such as omitting surgery.

04 · Treatment burden

Benefit is not only recurrence control

The quality-of-life signal in the surgery-omission cohort made treatment burden part of the efficacy discussion: organ preservation, function, and social role matter when evaluating a response-guided strategy.

Our community

Who joined us?

29 people represented Sorted by time in meeting · ● indicates a recorded Teams signal
Name Minutes Camera Unmuted Raised hand
Sunandana Chandra 92 ● — —
David M. Miller 85 ● — —
Frances Collichio 84 ● ● ●
Gregory Norigian 84 ● ● ●
Sonia Cohen 84 ● ● —
Cara Trulli 83 ● ● —
Elizabeth I. Buchbinder 83 ● ● —
Ross D. Merkin 83 ● ● ●
Howard L. Kaufman 82 ● ● —
Andrew D. Knight 81 ● ● —
Juliane Andrade Czapla 80 ● — —
Sameer Gupta 79 ● ● —
Jennifer Desimone 78 ● ● —
Vishal Patel 77 ● ● ●
Manisha Thakuria 76 — — —
Ron S. Gejman 76 ● — —
Sasha J Hussain 76 ● — —
Omid Najmi 75 ● ● —
Kevin S. Emerick 74 ● ● ●
Krista M. Rubin 60 ● — —
Ryan J. Sullivan 59 ● ● —
Suzanne Topalian 59 — — —
Christine C. Cimoch 58 ● ● —
Alex Sorrentino 54 — — —
Molly Yancovitz 48 — — —
Meghan J. Mooradian 42 — ● —
Frank Worden 30 — ● —
Mariam El-Ashmawy 26 ● ● —
Ken Tsai 23 — — —

The most important result may have been the question MATISSE made unavoidable.

Two doses of immunotherapy produced deep responses quickly. Some patients then remained disease-free without the extensive local therapy that had originally been planned. MATISSE does not prove that surgery can be omitted—but it provides a compelling rationale for prospective trials in which response is allowed to determine what comes next.

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